Wikileaks and Turkey's admission of inability to control her generals

An exchange based on a Wikileaks revelation on the Cyprus Mail website pertaining to the article "A cosy lunch on the Bosporus is no answer" by Loucas G Charalambous published on January 23, 2011 addresses the outdated, undemocratic, blurred power sharing in Turkey.



Sun, January 23rd 2011 at 21:32
PG comments:
There was an intersting wikileaks cable released today: 
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 THE HAGUE 003166 SIPDIS


It is from December 2004, from a discussion between the American ambassador and Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot; the Dutch had the EU presidency.



"According to Bot, Turkish PM Erdogan had told him recently that he could not stop the flights because he did not control the military -- an assertion Bot found disturbing. "
So, it is better Christofias goes to Ankara and meet the military.

Sun, January 23rd 2011 at 21:46
PG comments:

... and here is the first part of that paragraph:

Wikeleaks' Julian Assange

"Bot asked for U.S. assistance in convincing Turkey to suspend military operations in the Aegean, at least through December 17, as they were providing a pretext for Greece to agitate against Turkish accession."


Sun, January 23rd 2011 at 22:53
ANTIFON comments:


@PG
"So, it is better Christofias goes to Ankara and meet the military."


I am the first to agree with you. A look on the first page of my blog is sufficient to convince you of my sincerity!


I believe this little piece of news validates what I have argued in the past, that understanding Turkey is paramount, if not an absolute prerequisite, to understanding Cyprus' Turkish problem and charting the course towards a solution.


Do you know that the TSK cosmic room is? It is where all the Turkish state's secrets are kept. And since, up until today the state is in the hands of the military basically, it is the room where all the fascistic secrets are kept.


Wikileaks will provide a lot of fun in as far as Turkey's interrelationships are concerned, to the extend that they were visible or suspected by the USA.


The real fun however, the mother of all parties, will be after the coming Aristotelian revolution. When the Turkish nation will not simply be informed of the Ergenekon clandestine organization and the hedious plan to overthrow the government, but when the Turkish nation and the world will be informed of every little devious act the Turkish establishment implemented over the years in pursuit of its Ataturkism ideology, an "ideology" built, and meticulously maintained, on the history of a revered leader so as to serve as the perfect allibi to steal away the power from the people and place it in the hands of the generals.


The truly saucy stuff will pertain to policies and actions against Turkey's minorities and Cyprus! The catharsis will be a one-way street for the Turkish nation to sever ties with a very guilty past and seek forgiveness from all those hurt by its fascistic policies.


The day may be nearer that we all suspect!



More Wikileaks on Turkey from the above references cable:

Reference ID	Created	Released	Classification	Origin
04THEHAGUE3166	2004-12-03 16:04	2011-01-22 21:09	CONFIDENTIAL	Embassy The Hague

This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 THE HAGUE 003166 
SIPDIS 
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/02/2014 
TAGS: PREL MARR CH RS NL EUN
SUBJECT: NETHERLANDS/EU: FM BOT ON CHINA, TURKEY, 
ENLARGEMENT, RUSSIA/UKRAINE, MIDDLE EAST, AND IRAN 

"He [Dutch Foreign Minister Bernard Bot] claimed that getting a yes on Turkey will be the most important legacy of the Dutch presidency, but stressed that this will not happen unless Turkey signs the Ankara Customs Union Agreement protocol on Cyprus at the eleventh hour on December 17 [2004]."

"Bot told Ambassador Sobel that he is determined to get a yes for Turkey at the December 17 Council meeting, asserting that this is the most important thing he hopes to accomplish this year. He stated categorically that the Council decision will use the October 6 Commission report language on open-ended negotiations: the Austrians, he said, will not get what they want. On the other hand, Bot argued that Turkey must eventually agree to sign the protocol to the Ankara Agreement (effectively recognizing Cyprus) -- which he expected them to do at the absolutely last minute on December 17 or early December 18 (after midnight) -- or there is no deal. Bot passed this message to Turkish FM Gul several times over the past few weeks, he said, but Gul so far remained adamant that Turkey would not sign. Shrugging, Bot said that if that remained the Turkish position there was nothing he could do as this was non-negotiable; if Turkey did sign, he added, then Cyprus would come under enormous pressure to drop all other additional demands."

"Bot asked for U.S. assistance in convincing Turkey to suspend military operations in the Aegean, at least through December 17, as they were providing a pretext for Greece to agitate against Turkish accession. According to Bot, Turkish PM Erdogan had told him recently that he could not stop the flights because he did not control the military -- an assertion Bot found disturbing. Asked by Ambassador Sobel about a possible date for starting negotiations with Turkey, Bot said that it would almost certainly be late 2005; he noted that in public statements he sometimes added or early 2006 as a sop to the French, but did not believe it."